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	<title>Comments on: Propane vs Natural Gas Costs.</title>
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	<description>Articles for those who think. By Terry Pearson</description>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://terry.ipearson.net/miscellaneous/propane-vs-natural-gas/comment-page-1/#comment-479</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 03:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wes,

It totally matters which fuel has more btu. A therm of
NG gives you about 100,000 btu while a therm of propane will give you 250,000. You&#039;re paying for how many btu you use. Also your math is a little off. If a gallon of propane is equal to .9
therms you need to take the price x 1.1 to give you the cost of a therm of propane. In your case $2.10 x1.1 = $2.31. This actually helps your argument. I pay $2.00 for propane so a therm would be $2.20. NG is $.90 per therm but I need 2.5 therms to get the same 250,000 btu. $.90 x 2.5 = $2.25. Pretty damn close where I live. People just need to do the math to see what works out best for them. If you have really crazy propane prices then NG will probably be cheaper</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wes,</p>
<p>It totally matters which fuel has more btu. A therm of<br />
NG gives you about 100,000 btu while a therm of propane will give you 250,000. You&#8217;re paying for how many btu you use. Also your math is a little off. If a gallon of propane is equal to .9<br />
therms you need to take the price x 1.1 to give you the cost of a therm of propane. In your case $2.10 x1.1 = $2.31. This actually helps your argument. I pay $2.00 for propane so a therm would be $2.20. NG is $.90 per therm but I need 2.5 therms to get the same 250,000 btu. $.90 x 2.5 = $2.25. Pretty damn close where I live. People just need to do the math to see what works out best for them. If you have really crazy propane prices then NG will probably be cheaper</p>
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		<title>By: Ante</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ante</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Dec 2011 22:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great article.And natural gas is ofcourse winner here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great article.And natural gas is ofcourse winner here.</p>
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		<title>By: Wes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Nov 2011 01:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a comment for all the thick heads that keep going on about propane having more Btu&#039;s, or burning hotter &amp; therefore not being cheaper than natural gas.
Natural gas is priced per therm. 1 therm =100,000Btu.
Propane is priced per gallon. 1 gallon =.91 therm.

Here in Oklahoma, including taxes &amp; delivery charges, natural gas comes out to $0.87 per therm.
Propane comes out to more than $1.91 per therm, considering that it costs $2.10 a gallon on PLUS tax.

Last time I checked, a Btu is a Btu, regardless of the fuel source.
If propane is $1.91 per 100,000 Btu
and
natural gas is $0.87 per 100,000 Btu
Natural gas is the clear winner.
It doesn&#039;t matter which fuel has more Btu per cu. foot. Per Btu, natural gas is quite a bit less expensive, something the original article explained how to figure out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div style="background-color:#FFFFCC !important"><p>This is a comment for all the thick heads that keep going on about propane having more Btu&#8217;s, or burning hotter &amp; therefore not being cheaper than natural gas.<br />
Natural gas is priced per therm. 1 therm =100,000Btu.<br />
Propane is priced per gallon. 1 gallon =.91 therm.</p>
<p>Here in Oklahoma, including taxes &amp; delivery charges, natural gas comes out to $0.87 per therm.<br />
Propane comes out to more than $1.91 per therm, considering that it costs $2.10 a gallon on PLUS tax.</p>
<p>Last time I checked, a Btu is a Btu, regardless of the fuel source.<br />
If propane is $1.91 per 100,000 Btu<br />
and<br />
natural gas is $0.87 per 100,000 Btu<br />
Natural gas is the clear winner.<br />
It doesn&#8217;t matter which fuel has more Btu per cu. foot. Per Btu, natural gas is quite a bit less expensive, something the original article explained how to figure out.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2011 00:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in central Minnesota. We installed a ground source heat pump, 8 years ago. Basically the heat pump draws energy out of the ground water, dumping the heat into the house, the water is dumped out onto the ground (we have a wetland behind the house). We have 10 acres. Propane is our backup system. In a typical year we spend about $1800 on electricty and $300 on propane. Propane is also used for cooking. The heat pump also provides hot water (we have an electric water heater) while we use it in the winter for heating, or in the summer for cooling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in central Minnesota. We installed a ground source heat pump, 8 years ago. Basically the heat pump draws energy out of the ground water, dumping the heat into the house, the water is dumped out onto the ground (we have a wetland behind the house). We have 10 acres. Propane is our backup system. In a typical year we spend about $1800 on electricty and $300 on propane. Propane is also used for cooking. The heat pump also provides hot water (we have an electric water heater) while we use it in the winter for heating, or in the summer for cooling.</p>
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		<title>By: mrsbradshaw</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2011 19:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ive just had a propain tank installed into my house and I use 1 3500 btu space heater and 1 2500 btu space heat to heat my house with propain. It cost me $50 a year for the tank and the propain here cost $2.39 a gallon. I have a 200 gallon tank and i had it filled in september. Im down to 50% and its the Begining of November. Not too bad. Last year i had natural gas and it ran about 200-300 a month depending on how cold it was outside.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ive just had a propain tank installed into my house and I use 1 3500 btu space heater and 1 2500 btu space heat to heat my house with propain. It cost me $50 a year for the tank and the propain here cost $2.39 a gallon. I have a 200 gallon tank and i had it filled in september. Im down to 50% and its the Begining of November. Not too bad. Last year i had natural gas and it ran about 200-300 a month depending on how cold it was outside.</p>
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		<title>By: pamela henry</title>
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		<dc:creator>pamela henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2011 22:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>me and my husband are putting up a mobile home and we have to choice between natural gas or propane help to make my mind up. some say gas some say propane im confused.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>me and my husband are putting up a mobile home and we have to choice between natural gas or propane help to make my mind up. some say gas some say propane im confused.</p>
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		<title>By: Skip</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2011 16:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At this time, Natural Gas is cheeper. Propane prices spiked recently. Dealer cost is $1.45 and your cost will range from $2.80 to $3.60 a gallon.  propain gas is following oil prices on the retail side of the buisness.  With my quauntiy discount on propane, my bill will increase $700 on a bulk buy of 1000 gallons in Sept 2011.  Natural gas pricing has been flat for several years now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At this time, Natural Gas is cheeper. Propane prices spiked recently. Dealer cost is $1.45 and your cost will range from $2.80 to $3.60 a gallon.  propain gas is following oil prices on the retail side of the buisness.  With my quauntiy discount on propane, my bill will increase $700 on a bulk buy of 1000 gallons in Sept 2011.  Natural gas pricing has been flat for several years now.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To the person with the Crematory. Does your Crematory have a set time (assuming along with min. temp) it has to burn either by yourself or by law? If so, have you considered the possibility that with the higher efficiency of Propane, that individual was done long before you removed them, and that maybe you could&#039;ve cooked 2-1/2 to 3 in the same time period as one? Just a thinking out of the box. Happy Trails....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To the person with the Crematory. Does your Crematory have a set time (assuming along with min. temp) it has to burn either by yourself or by law? If so, have you considered the possibility that with the higher efficiency of Propane, that individual was done long before you removed them, and that maybe you could&#8217;ve cooked 2-1/2 to 3 in the same time period as one? Just a thinking out of the box. Happy Trails&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Shantae</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jul 2011 02:29:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am currently renting a home with propane.  The prevoius renter told me it was a fortune to heat in the winter.  There is a natural gas line running across the front yard.  The owner mentioned connecting.  I am so confused about which is cheaper!  I came from a home with electric heat and my bills ran around $275 to $350 for 2230 sq. ft.  Mind you that included running everything and not heat alone.  I now live in 1250 sq. ft. and they tell me $350 to heat it plus I will have an electric bill.  So...will natural gas be cheaper?  What to do?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am currently renting a home with propane.  The prevoius renter told me it was a fortune to heat in the winter.  There is a natural gas line running across the front yard.  The owner mentioned connecting.  I am so confused about which is cheaper!  I came from a home with electric heat and my bills ran around $275 to $350 for 2230 sq. ft.  Mind you that included running everything and not heat alone.  I now live in 1250 sq. ft. and they tell me $350 to heat it plus I will have an electric bill.  So&#8230;will natural gas be cheaper?  What to do?</p>
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		<title>By: Terry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2011 03:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hilo,

The problem is that Natural Gas and Propane are measured differently. Propane is measured by volume and natural gas is measured by potential heating energy. The differences in measurement exist because of the various delivery methods (propane is loaded into a tank, while natural gas is piped in. Furthermore, natural gas varies in its makeup, making it difficult to give one standard conversion. 

My formulas that I wrote in the post are meant to give a rough estimate for comparison sake because I was frustrated with the same problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hilo,</p>
<p>The problem is that Natural Gas and Propane are measured differently. Propane is measured by volume and natural gas is measured by potential heating energy. The differences in measurement exist because of the various delivery methods (propane is loaded into a tank, while natural gas is piped in. Furthermore, natural gas varies in its makeup, making it difficult to give one standard conversion. </p>
<p>My formulas that I wrote in the post are meant to give a rough estimate for comparison sake because I was frustrated with the same problem.</p>
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